How do you feel about Ice Cube's subsequent acting career, and how would you critique his career in general?
His acting career outside of Friday & Boyz In The Hood ……. MEH.
But more important than that is his career as a producer of films. He’s signing profitable movie deals where he’s getting paper that far exceeds what regular actors are getting. He’s doing the same thing that Tyler Perry is doing (Tyler is more successful because of his dedicated following).
These dudes are setting themselves up to get that long money.
perv jay-z got big before Wayne, though , like being said to be the greatest MC in hip hop Jay-z reached that level first and Wayne bit jay-z's style to elevate his rapping style.
Like I said, their paths to stardom couldn’t have been more different. Jay-Z rode MTV and radio to stardom in the late 90s/early 2000s.
Lil Wayne got himself hot in the mid to late 2000s by hitting the mixtape circuit and flooding the market with guest verses. The weird stream of consciousness, nonsensical, off the wall Wayne that got hot has nothing to do with Jay-Z.
So Perv, this came out of my convo with a buddy today. I am of the opinion that Wayne should not be compared to Jay because Wayne had the "advantage" of having a Jay. Just as I don't think LaBron and Kobe shouldn't be compared to Jordan because they have MJ as an example to build upon. To me it's like you can't compare caramel to sugar 'cause sugar was here first and is what makes caramel. Jay is an "ingredient" for Wayne or whoever. Whatchuthink?
No, I don’t agree with that at all.
The only thing that excludes two rappers from being compared to each other is if they were in two totally different eras. Like, you can’t really compare Kanye West to KRS-1. There is nothing that prevents Wayne from being compared to Jay-Z.
Lil Wayne’s debut album only came out 2 years after Jay-Z’s debut album. And when you really think about it, although Jay-Z had a 2 year head start, his career didn’t really take off until 1998 with Hard Knock Life. That very same year, Lil Wayne took off with Cash Money Records.
People have every right to compare them with one another. Jay-Z didn’t set any blueprint for wayne to have an “Advantage” because their paths to stardom and success were completely different.
Jay’s route to domination was so different than Wayne’s. So its not like he did Wayne any favors.
*slow clap* Man, that's where I've been on hip hop for YEARS. Shit started real, & most move it into fantasy or "rich people real". Fuck that. I want real content, thought, a fucking point. And people wonder why I don't talk rap with 'em...
Yeah pretty much.
And it’s not even like I don’t fuck with Lil Wayne and Jay…. I do. I love them. But you just can’t be my favorite rapper unless you possess that raw, bloody knuckle, scaring middle aged white people spirit.
So after all that you just said about Killer Mike and how hip hop should be, how is it that you don't like Joe Budden? That nigga speaks on every day issues in his life and black people issues on a regular basis. The everyday nigga can easily relate to dude. His word play and metaphors are sick and he can still turn around and make the clubber banger for people to nod their heads to or dance to (if you're into club bangers). He's hella underrated
I do like Joe Budden.
I don’t always like his personality, but he’s talented.
what makes you like killer mike , the shit I heard of him was not that great like that krytonite shit,
Kryptonite wasn’t a killer mike song, that was a purple ribbon posse cut.
Killer Mike is my favorite rapper because he’s the closest thing to 1991 Ice Cube on Earth. I regard 1991 Ice Cube as the best rapper of all-time.
They’re well rounded emcees, they’re aggressive, ferocious, outspoken, hungry. They can get lyrical when they want to, they can make party jams, and they can also drop knowledge on some political shit…. all on the same album. Unlike a lot of other artists, I believe there’s a sincerity there. They’re not doing it as lip service, they say what they mean because its how they really feel.
In the early 90s, Ice Cube was on a rampage against New Jack Swing (the mixing of R&B with Hip Hop, resulting in the softening of rap music). New Jack Swing forever changed hip-hop where we have these rap songs with singers on the hook just to get on the radio. All that shit started in the late 80s with Guy, Bobby Brown, Heavy D, etc etc.
I’m getting off track though, not trying to turn this into a history lesson.
Anyway, in 2011 Killer Mike is preserving that spirit… preserving rap as rebel music. Rap is rebellious by nature, rap is dangerous, rap speaks for the streets, rap gives niggas a voice who don’t normally have a voice.
That’s what its supposed to do. Instead we have soft ass niggas from the suburbs of Canada singing and simping to bitches all over the radio.
We’re in a moment where the entire country is galvanized against mistreatment from the government, and instead of talking about it, rappers are walking around in $2,000 furry pink boots, holding hands with white bitches and smiling, not saying anything.
50% of black males aren’t even graduating high school in 2011. yet the most famous rapper on the planet just dropped an album with his best friend, filled with 15 tracks talking about how rich he is.
……….. Well Alright ………..
I love Jay, Kanye, Lil Wayne, and I even listen to Drake sometimes, but I’m not going to pretend like they’re not in la la land. These dudes are so rich that they no longer speak for the common man anymore. They’re out of touch in a sense.
Their ships have wandered so far from base that they can no longer see whats going on with the masses.